I SPY--------- THE FIRST EPIC SERIAL

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One example = "Me and my Grockle" in 1966-67, was (in my vierw) a far more `Anarchic` strip than most post Feb 69. As for realistic voilence! well-in a "Big Billy Big" story-pre feb 69 Electrocution and Machine gun bullets are two methods used to try and kill Billy. Previous to this in a mid 1968 Billy Big story; he encounters a coloured girl called Anna. The strip is very correct in how this character is portrayed! Even todays P.C advocates would be ok with this portrayal. This strip too has quite some volience -eg thugs in a car about to Machine gun our heroes down. So no! I don't see the Feb 1969 as a watershed! I think the comic was altering well before that date!

The "Alice In Wonderland" flavour to the comic lasted up to Sept 67. I think by then D.C Thompson noticed what was happening in the `real` world and changed the comic pretty drastically 23 & 30 Sept 67. It's nice to debate like this! I certainly respect your points Rab! I would say that Feb 69 was the `start` of the change, which by mid 1970 was very much in operation.

Hey! can anyone put a photo of Meddlesome Matty up against one of Melinda Messenger to see if we can tell them apart? I doubt I could!! :)
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alanultron5 wrote:One example = "Me and my Grockle" in 1966-67, was (in my vierw) a far more `Anarchic` strip than most post Feb 69. As for realistic voilence! well-in a "Big Billy Big" story-pre feb 69 Electrocution and Machine gun bullets are two methods used to try and kill Billy. Previous to this in a mid 1968 Billy Big story; he encounters a coloured girl called Anna. The strip is very correct in how this character is portrayed! Even todays P.C advocates would be ok with this portrayal.
Incidentally Big Billy Bigg was a reprint of the Flemish strip Jerom by Willy Vandersteen:

http://lambiek.net/artists/v/vandersteen.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willy_Vandersteen


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One very early strip in the first twenty or so issues, which wasn't gentle at all, was "The Kidnapped Kids". Two children witness to train robbery were held captive by the crooks! The leader put (on more than one ocassion) a gun to the young boys head and threatened the worse!

It was quite a harrowing strip for early 1965. It was a long while before the comic went down that path again. I would guess some parents complained about the implied voilence in "The Kidnapped Kids".

The "Dreamy Dave / Dora" strips were truly surreal early on. The example I.Shspyyy guy put up from the very final strip was a good example of how bad a rut it got into! Virtually every DD & DD story through 1968 started with them meeting a bizarre character. We then got a series of word bending puns to introduce other characters, with it all becoming a nighmare for DD & DD. Every week the same storyline with hardly any divergance! I am amazed it made it to Dec 68.

The all time WORST!! strip for me in Sparky! "INVISIBLE DICK" What I said about DD & DD having repetitive storylines, goes a billion for `Dick`. In my last ever letter to Sparky in early 1971 I lambasted the paper for (in my words) conning its readers by constantly recycling the "Invisible Dick" one and only plot! I was an `angry young thing` back then! Mind you; on reading them again now from what Sparky's I have; "Invisible Dick" really does just peddle the same plotline!
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such passion for the memory of this comic........it's clearly not just me that was affected by the contents of this comic.

okay, time for some further 1969 entries from 'SPARKY':

'L CARS' from BILL HILL just missed the '69 revamp', starting in DEC, 1968: in common with VIC NEILL, BILL'S work was noticably more elaborate in the early appearences of his 'SPARKY' input. I am first aware of BILL'S work when he took over 'BEEZER'S' 'BANANA BUNCH' from LEO BAXENDALE around 1962: the early versions of the second 'BUNCH' incarnation were nowhere near as polished as the illustrious original; however, BILL'S style eventually evolved into a very funny, unique style, and I found him to be the king of the 'throwaway' gag: his 'bits-of-business' going on in the sidelines were often better than the 'main attractions', in some cases:

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Next, the early version of 'KLANKY' [here referred to his real name of 'QZ-199'], and this polished early appearance is from an artist I am sadly unable to name; however, later more familiar versions appeared courtesy of BOB WEBSTER and JAMES FOX. In common with so many 1960s robots, KLANKY somewhat resembles a 'guy in a suit', and his metallic bonce seems reminiscent of a mid-60s traffic light........his dog [illustrated in frame one] always reminded me of a metallic diversion of DISNEY'S 'PLUTO'.

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This next entry is 'HELPFUL HENRY', produced by HUGH MORREN. I'm afraid that poor old HENRY was the one 'SPARKY' character from this era that I had absolutely no memory at all of; even allowing for the fact I spent a long time poring over this comic 40 years ago:

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'CAP'N HOOD and his MERRY MEN' is another strip I sadly can't equate an artist with [and neither can DENIS GIFFORD'S fairly comprehensive guide], the title of this strip is sometimes confused with DAVEY LAW'S similar-sounding 'CAP'N HAND':

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This next item is a rare 'PETER PIPER' turned out by the hugely talented ROBERT NIXON, with large-scale production values and impeccable draughtsmanship that is, for the most part, sadly no longer with us:

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----and the last of today's entries is the traditinal-fare adventure epic, 'THE JUNGLE ARK', which sadly, I can't put a name to either, artist-wise......any help regarding these matters will be highly appreciated.

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STILL a few entries from 'SPARKY' 1969 to come yet, readers.......
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`Helpfull Henry", I really loved that strip, in fact it was my favourite up untill I really noticed how good the "I.Spy" strip was! I'm afraid you're not quite correct about the age of the Klanky strip Rab! Klanky had been appearing in Sparky-on-and-off, from 1966!

When the I.Spy strip expanded to two pages in issue 225, it ended the short lived `Harry Presto` strip and `Meddlesome Matty`. Matty had begun in September 1967. And yes! I still think she's a `ringer` for Melinda Messenger!! :wink: :wink: :wink:

The `Cap'n Hood` strip was a utter `misfire` proving that the Feb revamp wasn't fully successful! In my view only the "Sparky People" and "I.Spy" really made the grade! Though I adored the "Helpful Henry" strip-I must have been in a minority as it made way for the legendary "Puss N' Boots".

What truly dismayed me post Feb 69, was the return of (in my view) the abysmal "Invisible Dick" strip! I daresay I was the only reader who loathed it-but, Boy!! `DID` I LOATHE IT!! Yes I DID!

As I said earlier, I believe the comic started to alter again after the Sept 67 re-launch; during late 1968. Feb 69 was a further push in these changes, but nothing so drastic in my view! During late 69 and 1970 the comic improved a lot more, untill by 1971 I would argue it reached it's pinnacle!
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thanks for the info on the 'KLANKY' history, Alan.....because he looks like he just appeared from his home planet in these early '69 strips [a favourite story device favoured by THOMSON in these type of strips], I assumed it was a brand new strip.......I am lacking great swathes of the early years of 'SPARKY', so you, as someone who followed the comic from the outset, are a great help in the precise continuity of the strip.

I am starting to collect earlier editions, however, and will be purchasing more stuff if and when I can.

you're right; 'MEDDLESOME MATTY' was quite attractive for a THOMSON female character; 'KEYHOLE KATE' never got a look-in!

P.S.; 'JUNGLE ARK' was drawn by ANDY TEW; this fairly early 'KLANKY' incarnation was drawn by TERRY PATRICK; [thanks, kashgar].
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Rab! Yes! Old Klanky had been around in Sparky since 1966. I was puzzled when he was listed on the back of issue 210 as a `New Fun Pal` It was `Faithful Hound` who was new to the strip. As for Matty, not so much her attractiveness (or lack of) just that she has a similar look to Melinda M! To me certainly!

I am hoping to start doing a page-by-page list of Sparky's 1965 to 1969 (Pre Feb 69) in the way you listed issue 227 Rab. My one drawback-I can't put pictures up as I havn't a scanner! But I hope to at least give a decent description of the early years of the comic! I might leave it a month or so to see if I can get a couple (at least) more 1965-68 issues!

Do you know which part of this forum would be the best place to begin the thread when I do start it please?
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a scanner/printer combination would set you back about 50 quid, Alan.......it definately helps with the visual side of things; however, next time, I intend shelling out for an A3 job, to accomodate larger-scale artwork......

----I look forwards to seeing your thoughts on 'SPARKY'S' earlier period, though; just bung a new thread in the 'COMIC' title section: I, too was unsure where exactly to place some themes on here when I started.

-----okay, back to 'SPARKY' 1969 and to Alans' frankly less-than-favourite-strip, ; 'INVISIBLE DICK'........this strip holds the distinction of dating 'way back to 'DANDY' number one in DECEMBER 1937, [then drawn by GEORGE RAMSBOTTOM]: the main difference in the early version was that young DICK owned a 'bronze bottle' that contained 'queer liquid' with the power to render people and objects invisible.

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DICK had actually [dis]appeared even further back than early 'DANDY': in a 'ROVER' serial, circa 1922! The version illustrated above is by TONY SPEER, which ran for an impressive 9 years. True, revisiting these stories now reveals a glaringly obvious repetitive-story syndrome [with 'local toughs' or other undesirables getting their comeuppance courtesy of young DICK DIXON'S black-beamed torch] , however the example shown here features a rare 'continued-from-last-week' set-up.

'SPOOFER Mc GRAW', that teller of tall tales so beloved of the SPARKY scriptwriters themselves, was an untypically detailed vehicle for GORDON BELL, who was more prone to sketchier artwork in many of his strips; a high level of consistent imagination---in the early days, especially-----helped this strip to stand out. Aided and abetted by SPOOFER'S dozy sidekick, BO, and his mutt, of course:

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'DAVEY SPACER' [artist unknown] re-appeared in summer of this year in his final outing for the comic. Back in '69, this was hi-tech space-opera stuff, however in the case of this particular tale, the space hardware would give way to extremely whimsical elements, involving an alien planet of mermaid-like beings.

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'KINGS of the CASTLE' was quite possibly the most skilfully-executed strip that ever graced 'SPARKY': also arriving in late summer, KEN HARRISON'S lavish strip is a must for anyone interested in studying accomplished comics artwork, the main forte here being in the depiction of crowd scenes [every character was a complete individual, even in epic battle scenes] and in elaborate gag set-ups.

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KEN also had a successful rag trade business asides fro his comics work, which perhaps explains why he never 'crossed over' onto top-drawer characters like 'DESPERATE DAN' [the only artist who seriously gave D D WATKINS a run for his money regarding this character, I reckon] until much later, around 1983.




no assessment of 'SPARKY' is complete without mention of 'HUNGRY HORACE', here sporting his fetching 'knife-and-fork' jersey motif that characterized this early ALBERT HOLROYD era. The following story has an unusually sadistic ending for a strip such as this:

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'SPARKY' was never to completely lose the 'fairytale' veneer of it's 'nursery' past, however, and 'MR. BUBBLES' probably represents the pinaccle of the comic's whimsical outpourings; at the time, I thought this stuff was fine, and even today, the dream-like qualities of this strip hark back to a more innocent, carefree point in comicdom's past. Dated to be sure, but I wouldn't want it any other way!

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"Mr Bubbles" was similar to "Dreamy Dave & Dora" at times! In one episode he brought `shadows` (not! Hank Marvin & Co!!) to life. Very spooky!
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A little bit more Klanky data! In his first stint in Sparky, July to Sept 1966, he was titled "Big Klanky" His leaders on the Planet wanted him to help humankind! Klanky befriended Ernie & Sis Huggins. At the close of the first run, he returned home as ordered!

The strip had a long lay off until 30 Sept 67. Klanky was returned to Earth to help out more! His real name wasn't disclosed in those first two strips! Only in the 1 Feb 69 return! The Planet (J) was first disclosed in Feb 69 too. Hope this helps.
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Davey Spacer looks full of retro sci-fi fun. Never heard of that one before. Should really have been published in full psychedelic colour, though!

Did he make it into any of the annuals, does anyone know, where this may have happened?
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'DAVEY SPACER' made it, in full-colour, into the 1971 'SPARKY' annual, Raven, alongside many of the above characters, in artwork prepared during 1969. This annual, in my view, is the best one; well worth seeking out....[cover: HUNGRY HORACE/ KEYHOLE KATE fighting over a pie with 'keyhole' airvent].

Alan; you're right, I do now recall a more vintage rendition of 'KLANKY', drawn by BOB WEBSTER: the 'PANSY POTTER' artist of this period.


------now, back to SPARKY comic; the final 1969 ROUND-UP:

'PUSS and BOOTS' spent a few weeks relegated to a curious half-page format, before colour back-page status beckoned. This example doesn't even particularly look like the work of originator JOHN GEERING, but it more than likely is, as I can't remember another single example of any other artist working on this strip during the 70s:

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'BIG BILLY BIGG' was a EURO-import that spanned the centre pages over late '68-early '69:

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'KEYHOLE KATE' in this instance has penwork courtesy of ALBERT HOLROYD, though eventually this character would almost exclusively be taken over by BRIAN WHITE: like the 'speed' theme utilized in 'BILLY WHIZZ', the scriptwriter came up with endless variations on the 'keyhole' theme with apparant ease:

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next, we have hyper-detailed 'GUNG-HO-ism' with the 'JUNGLE WALKERS', a follow-up of sorts, at least thematically, to the 'JUNGLE ARK' [artist unknown]:

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----and lastly, for the moment, it's unthinkable that I leave out this JIM PETRIE gem, which features THROGMORTON, JULIE, JOKE MAN and the rest: exactly how close this fictious 'SPARKY' office depiction was to the actuality is anyone's guess. Also contained the unseen 'SIR', with his endless collection of THROG-booting footwear ['comfy slippers' for Throg if 'SIR' was in a good mood].

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---that about covers the basics, if I discover any more forgotten items, I'll edit 'em in here later.



' I SPY ' will return in the 'MASTERMIND MACHINES'.
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The print unions circa late 60s & early 70s were virtually ALMIGHTY!! The "Sparky People" strip should have been set in 1869! Then the theme of an autocratic editor putting the fear of God into staff would be feasible.

It was just fun! No reality at all! As far as we know Ian chisolm was a smashing bloke to work for/with. The real staff must have very much enjoyed putting the `Sparky People` strip together!

Raven! Davey Spacer is also in the Sparky Book 1970. He meets the `Spikey` people as well as his Pet (Boogle's) home planet and fellow beings (whatever they were called) Only B/W this strip though!

I had forgotten Puss & Boots were just a half strip for a short while! The early conflicts are not particulary inventive (though still good) especially when compared to P&B 1970 & 71.

The "Jungle Ark" was a slight re-make of 1968s "The Floating Farrells". In the latter, it was the whole world that was flooded! Prof Farrell had seen it coming and had constructed a gargantuan spherical ark, in order to save as many land based animals as possible!

A very enjoyable strip too! One great ep had a collossal Squid (which was more Octopoid in appearrance) attack the `ark` break in and rip open the Lion & Tiger compounds. A massive battle between said Squid and packs of Lions & Tigers ensued until the Squid retreated! Loved It!
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