The History of The Dandy - was it ever planned?

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The History of The Dandy - was it ever planned?

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http://forbiddenplanet.co.uk/blog/2006/ ... the-dandy/

Euan Kerr thought it was:
FPI: With the Beano and Dandy not far off their seventieth anniversaries can I ask if there are plans for some big celebrations?

Euan: This Blog may self-destruct if I tell you this, but Morris Heggie may well be working on separate books to celebrate both comics’ anniversaries. The first of these would appear on the bookshelves next year.
Separate books? We only got a Beano one, but it sounds like Dandy was originally meant to have it's own version in 2007. I bet the same low sales of the comic which forced the Xtreme relaunch also put the kibosh on the History book. When they asked for permission to use The Beano Index, did they also ask to use The Dandy Index Ray?
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No Digi, they never asked to use the DMI or for the use of any notes that I'd prepared on the Dandy subsequent to publication of the final part of the Dandy Index in 1990. Mind you, as they had used the Dandy Index to help prepare their own in-house index of the comic in 1995 (a large hardback book with a coloured cover and b/w photocopied pages) and which they kindly sent me a copy of, they really didn't have to. I'm sure a history of the Dandy was planned but it sadly got overtaken by events.
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Kashgar wrote:No Digi, they never asked to use the DMI or for the use of any notes that I'd prepared on the Dandy subsequent to publication of the final part of the Dandy Index in 1990. Mind you, as they had used the Dandy Index to help prepare their own in-house index of the comic in 1995 (a large hardback book with a coloured cover and b/w photocopied pages) and which they kindly sent me a copy of, they really didn't have to. I'm sure a history of the Dandy was planned but it sadly got overtaken by events.
I'm quite interested in the non-appearance of this book because it would appear that much of the necessary groundwork on the content of The Dandy had already been done with plenty of time to spare. As Kashgar points out, Thomsons had prepared an update of the comic as far as 1995, so you would think they would then simply continue to keep their records up to date month by month, and even if they didn't, it wouldn't have taken a seconded employee more than a couple of weeks or so to play catch-up. Given that the company must at the time have been planning their lavish production of The History Of The Beano, the decision not to proceed with an equivalent for their first-born 1937 flagship comic would not appear to have been made on grounds of cost, and if not, then to me the decision is almost incomprehensible. I am certainly not persuaded that the switch to Dandy Xtreme, or the reasons for that, were behind such an important and far-reaching decision because the book wouldn't have been written for any particular nostalgic cohort.The only possible reason that makes any sense to me is that the initial idea for the double project was presented to the hierarchy of decision makers too late in the day for The History Of The Dandy to be written in time for the comic's 70th anniversary. They realized, however, that they had six extra months in which to prepare for The Beano's 70th birthday. The idea was good, and that project was achievable in the time available, so all the eggs went into the one basket. In the light of the above personal musings, does anybody know if The History Of The Beano turned out to be a financial failure for the company? How many copies did they shift? Digi's obviously got one and I've got one but, at £25 a pop, there will have been significant resistance I imagine, even though it was on sale in the runup to Christmas.
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Well, I've got one so that's three.
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Well I didn't even pay full price, so that should tell you how sales were going.
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Did anyone pay the full rrp though? When many tomes like that appear in Waterstones and the like, they are frequently discounted the day they hit the shelves. It's not necessarily indicative of lack of sales.
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tbuk wrote:Did anyone pay the full rrp though? When many tomes like that appear in Waterstones and the like, they are frequently discounted the day they hit the shelves. It's not necessarily indicative of lack of sales.
I bought mine from Amazon, which was discounted. As far as I'm aware Waterstones have never discounted the book. It's still full price in my local branch even today.

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Fair enough - Amazon again are another outlet who rarely sell at the full RRP. Depends when and where Digi got his book from. If it was heavily discounted in a pound shop then maybe that does tell us something, but discounts don't always equal poor sales.
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I vought mine from Waterstones at full price..
couldn't wait to get it..

hope they do The Dandy one ...maybe 75 years book..
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Lew Stringer wrote:
tbuk wrote:Did anyone pay the full rrp though? When many tomes like that appear in Waterstones and the like, they are frequently discounted the day they hit the shelves. It's not necessarily indicative of lack of sales.
I bought mine from Amazon, which was discounted. As far as I'm aware Waterstones have never discounted the book. It's still full price in my local branch even today.

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Yep, bought it online (tesco.com if I remember right, not available in their stores), although Waterstones is the only high street retailer I saw it in (full price until they sold out, but they only had about a dozen to start with), so it sounds like distribution wasn't too great.
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I had a good read of it in Waterstones in Canary Wharf during my Christmas holiday in London, but the only two copies they had were on display at foot level so the wrappers had got ripped. When I got back home in early January there were none in Liverpool but I finally picked one up in Waterstones in Birkenhead. So I paid full price plus £2.80 to go through the Mersey Tunnel and back. Oh dear! Still, never mind, eh? I love the book.
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Digifiend wrote:although Waterstones is the only high street retailer I saw it in (full price until they sold out, but they only had about a dozen to start with), so it sounds like distribution wasn't too great.
Again, another heck of a presumption to make! I would have thought with a publication like this it was never going to be on sale in supermarkets and the like. It's relatively specialist and was never going to challenge Jeremy Clarkson for the Christmas #1 title. The only place it really was going to appear in shops was Waterstones and bigger branches of WHSmith - the publishers probably knew where they would sell and roughly how many they would sell. Unless there were loads of reports saying that people couldn't find the book or that stores had troubling ordering in more copies I'd guess that distribution was fine, unless other information in the public domain states otherwise.
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I was given the History of the Beano as a Christmas present last year. I have a feeling that the History of the Dandy would have been produced had the Dandy not turned 'Xtreme'. There are probably people out there who think the Dandy doesn't exist anymore, given the conspicious absence of Dandy characters on the cover and the shrinking masterhead. Remember as well that the Beano has more classic characters than the Dandy has (Desperate Dan and Korky the Cat are the two most notable, and the latter's not been a regular for some time). Xtreme has a pretty short history!
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Well my local WHSmiths never got History of The Beano in at all, and we have no Borders, so Waterstones was the only high street stockist around here. That's why I ended up going online for it.

Jonny, there are people who think the Dandy doesn't exist any more, there was a good example mentioned here yesterday by steve zodiac, where a woman said one comic was too young for her son, another was too old, "what about this one with three free gifts? I don't know what it is..." it was Dandy Xtreme. Remember that the 70th birthday went by with barely a mention in Xtreme, although the inside covers of last year's Dandy annual did pay homage to the first Desperate Dan strip.
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I think that Morris considerably regretted not being able to make something of the Dandy's 70th anniversary. I think he therefore rather went out of his way to make up for it in the work they did for the Beano's 70th anniversary.
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