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Re: Beano - new direction?

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Lew Stringer wrote:
Kid Robson wrote: Exactly the point. The strip being funny is all that the readers care about. Therefore it's really rather pointless changing a 50-odd years look to accommodate the perceived and mistaken notion by would-be trendy editors that what Dennis and Roger need most of all to appeal to a wider audience is younger-looking parents.
Well, you're assuming it's a mistake. Time will tell. The changes to Dad were made months ago. Presumably the young kids buying The Beano are used to him by now. And the point of updating Dad was something I explained earlier; the old Dad just didn't look or act like a Dad of today. And since The Beano is primarily aimed at children it made sense to update him.

But that's not all they've done to appeal to a new generation is it? New writer with a different style and rhythm to the humour on Dennis. That's what stood out the most to me. I liked it personally. Hope the readers will too.

Yes, I read your attempted explanation, but it seems contrary to your assertion that the only thing that matters is the strip being funny. Raven more than adequately addressed your contention that Dennis's dad doesn't look or act like a modern dad (and given the way some modern dads act, I'd say that ain't necessarily a bad thing), so I don't want to repeat what was already said. However, if humour is the primary aim, as the original dad is a much more inherently funny-looking character, I'd say the visual humour of the strip has taken a backward step with the move.

And comics aren't just for kids - nor should they be as it limits the audience. I've got every Dennis the Menace book ever published and would still be buying them if they were yet available. It seems to me that DCT should have regard for long-term loyal readers who expect a degree of consistency, instead of changing things on an unproven assumption that more kids will buy the comic because Dennis's parents look younger. As I said earlier, I doubt any kid ever spent a second wondering why Dennis's or Roger's dads looked older than theirs; that's the sort of thing that only adult editorial staff would consider as being in any way relevant.

In fact, it's altogether possible that the changes were instituted in an attempt to attract some media attention and consequently boost sales. DCT are quite famous for this type of ploy.
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But the parent redesigns didn't attract any major newspaper headlines.
Kid Robson wrote:Well, to me, that's a bit like being told your terminal illness is in remission and then being run over and killed by a bus as you leave the doctor's.
Careful what you say, that's pretty close to something that actually happened a couple of days ago! Someone got the all clear from cancer, only to get killed in a supermarket parking fight.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-be ... s-23580102
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Re: Beano - new direction?

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Digifiend wrote:But the parent redesigns didn't attract any major newspaper headlines.
Kid Robson wrote:Well, to me, that's a bit like being told your terminal illness is in remission and then being run over and killed by a bus as you leave the doctor's.
Careful what you say, that's pretty close to something that actually happened a couple of days ago! Someone got the all clear from cancer, only to get killed in a supermarket parking fight.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-be ... s-23580102

That doesn't necessarily mean that DCT didn't try to generate some attention from the media over it 'though.

I think most analogies people use to make a point often reflect real-life situations - that's what makes analogies effective. I read about the car park incident just a little while ago (after my comment) - a tragedy for the man's family indeed.
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Re: Beano - new direction?

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Kid Robson wrote:Well, to me, that's a bit like being told your terminal illness is in remission and then being run over and killed by a bus as you leave the doctor's.
Troll.

That analogy, in whatever context, is disgusting. I don't care who you are, or who you think you are, but being allowed a platform to spout your urine thus far is only a marginal disgrace to your own very being.

Other than this minor attempt at pointing out your true nature, I'm done. With you, this forum, and all those that allow this idiot a platform.

Whatever respect this forum once had, has no longer.
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BeanoMark wrote:Troll. That analogy, in whatever context, is disgusting. I don't care who you are, or who you think you are, but being allowed a platform to spout your urine thus far is only a marginal disgrace to your own very being. Other than this minor attempt at pointing out your true nature, I'm done. With you, this forum, and all those that allow this idiot a platform. Whatever respect this forum once had, has no longer.
What on earth is the matter with you? Posts like this contaminate our forum. Members will surely not be sorry to see the back of you, because you clearly have nothing of value to offer us.
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What happened to your last post, Lew? After reading it, I spent twenty minutes rereading the entire thread trying to spot the horse you think I should have been backing, only to find, when I was going to answer it, that it had disappeared.
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BeanoMark wrote:
Kid Robson wrote:Well, to me, that's a bit like being told your terminal illness is in remission and then being run over and killed by a bus as you leave the doctor's.
Troll.

That analogy, in whatever context, is disgusting. I don't care who you are, or who you think you are, but being allowed a platform to spout your urine thus far is only a marginal disgrace to your own very being.

Other than this minor attempt at pointing out your true nature, I'm done. With you, this forum, and all those that allow this idiot a platform.

Whatever respect this forum once had, has no longer.

Well, I must confess to being amazed that an innocuous hyperbolic remark, made with no intended allusion to recent tragic events, should generate such a hate-filled response. I can only assume that you have your own personal agenda going on, but I refuse to be drawn into swapping insults with someone merely because they've taken umbrage at me for not being a fan of a particular artist's style.

Hopefully you'll soon find another forum more suited to your particular style of 'discussion'.
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Phoenix wrote:What happened to your last post, Lew? After reading it, I spent twenty minutes rereading the entire thread trying to spot the horse you think I should have been backing, only to find, when I was going to answer it, that it had disappeared.
I decided from past experience that it wasn't worth getting involved.
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Phoenix wrote:What happened to your last post, Lew? After reading it, I spent twenty minutes rereading the entire thread trying to spot the horse you think I should have been backing, only to find, when I was going to answer it, that it had disappeared.
I seem to have missed something, but there's nothing like a good horse race. The first and only time I ever placed a bet (Silver Birch in the Grand National), I won £50 - all for only a £1.
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BeanoMark wrote:
Kid Robson wrote:Well, to me, that's a bit like being told your terminal illness is in remission and then being run over and killed by a bus as you leave the doctor's.
Troll.

That analogy, in whatever context, is disgusting. I don't care who you are, or who you think you are, but being allowed a platform to spout your urine thus far is only a marginal disgrace to your own very being.

Other than this minor attempt at pointing out your true nature, I'm done. With you, this forum, and all those that allow this idiot a platform.

Whatever respect this forum once had, has no longer.
Well, with attitudes like that on the staff, I think we can count The Beano as written off. I'm just glad The Phoenix came along when it did!
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felneymike wrote:Well, with attitudes like that on the staff, I think we can count The Beano as written off.
Is he really a staff member? I thought his choice of username was because he is an enthusiast about The Beano in the same way that Tammyfan is about Tammy, and the way others such as Raven and Kashgar created theirs from their favourite characters. Not forgetting mine, of course. So, Mark who?
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<Moderator on holiday and still looking in!>

Folks - we are still reviewing the posts in this thread, although that's very much in Al and Colin's hands as I'm strictly speaking on holiday (in France, as it happens!)

In the meantime, I want to draw your attention to the second of the board rules:
2: Respect other people’s views and respond constructively, not insultingly or antagonistically.
That has not happened on this thread, and that sort of behaviour chases people away. People who can teach the rest of us more than a little about comics, and we have already seen people leave because they have either been the victim of such behaviour or don't wish to wade through posts full of it.

I should add that this includes when somebody posts something that turns out to be untrue. We expect the person correcting them to do so constructively, and whether they do or not, we expect the person who has been corrected to accept that correction graciously.

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Re: Beano - new direction?

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Phoenix wrote:
felneymike wrote:Well, with attitudes like that on the staff, I think we can count The Beano as written off.
Is he really a staff member? I thought his choice of username was because he is an enthusiast about The Beano in the same way that Tammyfan is about Tammy, and the way others such as Raven and Kashgar created theirs from their favourite characters. Not forgetting mine, of course. So, Mark who?
Unfortunately, he really is a DCT employee. Here's his Twitter. https://twitter.com/BeanoMark
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AndyB wrote:<Moderator on holiday and still looking in!>

Folks - we are still reviewing the posts in this thread, although that's very much in Al and Colin's hands as I'm strictly speaking on holiday (in France, as it happens!)

In the meantime, I want to draw your attention to the second of the board rules:
2: Respect other people’s views and respond constructively, not insultingly or antagonistically.
That has not happened on this thread, and that sort of behaviour chases people away. People who can teach the rest of us more than a little about comics, and we have already seen people leave because they have either been the victim of such behaviour or don't wish to wade through posts full of it.

I should add that this includes when somebody posts something that turns out to be untrue. We expect the person correcting them to do so constructively, and whether they do or not, we expect the person who has been corrected to accept that correction graciously.

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Andy, I'd be obliged if you could expand on your comments slightly, because I'm not quite sure exactly who they're meant for. Obviously I assume that the DCT employee doesn't get a free pass simply because of his connections, and that it's considered out of order for him to call someone an idiot who spouts urine. However, I believe my comments and expressions of opinion (based on 15 years of once being a professional comics contributor) have been entirely within the rules, and I see no other comments (apart from the one already alluded to) which seem out of line. Therefore, if you consider any remark of mine not to have been 'gracious', I'd appreciate you letting me know which one. You can do so privately if you prefer, but as the 'new boy' around here I'm obviously anxious about stepping on anybody's toes, so it would be helpful if you could specify exactly where you think I may have done so, if at all.
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Digifiend wrote:
Phoenix wrote:
felneymike wrote:Well, with attitudes like that on the staff, I think we can count The Beano as written off.
Is he really a staff member? I thought his choice of username was because he is an enthusiast about The Beano in the same way that Tammyfan is about Tammy, and the way others such as Raven and Kashgar created theirs from their favourite characters. Not forgetting mine, of course. So, Mark who?
Unfortunately, he really is a DCT employee. Here's his Twitter. https://twitter.com/BeanoMark
That's interesting, according to his feed, he is married to Keith Shone's daughter. Unless you know of anyone else that drew Braddock.
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