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Reprints in the Beano

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I did a thread a while ago about your favourite and least favourite characters. Now I'd like to do the same with the reprints that have appeared in The Beano over the past few years (from 2007 onwards). Which ones have you enjoyed and which ones haven't you enjoyed?

Here's what I think:
(not a complete list - I'll do the ones I've missed out later)
Ivy the Terrible (2007-2008): Bob Nixon was a great artist, and these were good strips, though at times the strips selected left a lot to be desired in the 'contemporary' department! (eg tapes being called CDs)
Fred's Bed (2007-2009): Probably the best reprints they've chosen. Fred is great fun (and is now new strips :) ) and the strips were excellent.
Riot Squad (2007-2008): Didn't really get into it.
Billy Whizz (2007-present): He's my favourite character/strip, and I really like the Vic Neill strips. I thought the David Parkins ones looked a bit dated though.

I'm not counting Roger the Dodger Bob Nixon reprints as they haven't appeared regularly enough.
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The current ball boy reprints are ok, because they've recoloured them. Like I said on other threads unrecoloured ones look automatically dated. Often they're rescanned and therefore look blurry, especially on the glossy paper that the Beano uses now.

I wonder if the Bash Street kids will become reprints when Dave sitherland retires? I hope they don't, because there's far too many reprints these days (There should be 2 per comic at the most). However, if they become reprints barely anyone would notice, because it's been the same artist for best part of 47 years, and it's hard to think that that artist is a ghost artist!!! That must be the longest running strip drawn by a ghost artist! (Then again, since he's been adding his signature since 1999, peraps it's safe to say he may not be a ghost artist anymore). I think the only difference would be that his style has been noticably scratchier and more like Davy Law in recent years, rather than a simplified version of baxendale's style like how it was in the 60's, 70's and 80's.
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I'd rather see original stuff although I am really enjoying the old rasher reprints! Its nice even to recognise a few from your childhood. If there going to do reprints would it harm them to reprint really really old stuff like jonah or something? I would love to see an old ken reid strip in the beano, they could even make a bit of a feature of it! I suppose because we already have classics from the comics this idea is a bit rubbish, what do you think?
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I'd like to see Jonah reprinted in The Beano too Steve, right from the start. Unfortunately we're not the people The Beano is aimed at. Today's kids tend to like stories about kids, in scenarios they can relate to. (It's been that way for about 30 years to be fair.) Jonah was a classic from an era when children knew about ships, and were familiar with the Goon-like humour of the times.

I'm sure some of today's bright kids would love Jonah, but I bet it'd go over the heads of the rest.

Personally I'd prefer to see the entire Jonah series collected into a book, uncensored and either shot from the original art or from the comics, retaining the colours and creamness of the paper (as some American reprints do). Kev O'Neill and Alan Moore are big fans of Ken Reid so maybe they'd be up to write an introduction.

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Great idea! I'm sure we'd all buy a Jonah book if it came out. One good reason for not putting it in the weekly comic is those beautifully drawn pages with as many as 30 panels will put many artists to shame, who struggle to fit in 11 or 12 panels! (Of course this isn't you Lew - you're a great artist)
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Jonny Whizz wrote:Great idea! I'm sure we'd all buy a Jonah book if it came out. One good reason for not putting it in the weekly comic is those beautifully drawn pages with as many as 30 panels will put many artists to shame, who struggle to fit in 11 or 12 panels! (Of course this isn't you Lew - you're a great artist)
I know you're only joking JW but no one struggles to fit in 11 panels. That's the format these days (and has been for a long time to be fair).

Bear in mind also that there are a lot of "talking head" shots in Jonah as much of the story relied on dialogue and facial expression, reaction shots etc. That's not to say Ken ever skimped on his pages of course! No one could accuse him of that.

Also, pages were drawn "twice up" in the Fifties. That's four times the size of the published page. (Twice the width and twice the height.) Although I've started drawing my pages close to that size now.

By the way there's a Super School coming up with 13 panels as I asked to extend it a bit to make the story work a little better.

And if you check out Viz, we regularly draw 21 to 25 panels a page. :)

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Old Freddy wrote:The current ball boy reprints are ok, because they've recoloured them. Like I said on other threads unrecoloured ones look automatically dated. Often they're rescanned and therefore look blurry, especially on the glossy paper that the Beano uses now.
I think they had no choice but to recolour, as they may well have been black and white originally - BB is one of the strips which only became colour in 1993, and the strips being used could be from as early as 1990. They need to stop using the Dave Eastbury title panel though, as BB looks different in the reprints to how he looked in the new stories, as Dave redesigned him.
I wonder if the Bash Street kids will become reprints when Dave sitherland retires? I hope they don't, because there's far too many reprints these days (There should be 2 per comic at the most). However, if they become reprints barely anyone would notice, because it's been the same artist for best part of 47 years, and it's hard to think that that artist is a ghost artist!!! That must be the longest running strip drawn by a ghost artist! (Then again, since he's been adding his signature since 1999, peraps it's safe to say he may not be a ghost artist anymore). I think the only difference would be that his style has been noticably scratchier and more like Davy Law in recent years, rather than a simplified version of baxendale's style like how it was in the 60's, 70's and 80's.
Small gripe, it's Sutherland, not Sitherland. Spellcheck before you click Submit, OK? He started in 1962, so it is indeed 47 years, although other artists have drawn the strip at times, including Nigel Parkinson. The reason DS only started signing his work late on is because back in the 60s, he wasn't allowed. He only signed his work once the majority of the comic carried signatures. I think only Barrie Appleby and Jimmy Hansen don't sign now, and of course reprints often aren't signed. Bash Street won't become reprint because they're already being reprinted in the annual. There isn't enough material for the 2009 version to become the standard format. I suspect Tom Paterson, who already draws Singled Out, will take over when DS either retires or dies.
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A Jonah book! I would love to see a jonah book what a brilliant idea are you listening DC Thomson! I thought jonah had a sort of timeless quality so I used him as an example. Also I bloody love him and the beautiful artwork that goes into each strip. What old comics would you all like to see in the comic then? Which would suit?
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I agree about the Ball Boy title. Using the modern Dave Eastbury logo only makes the strip look even more dated! And, as you say, Dave changed Ball Boy, meaning that the title and character in the actual strip look rather different.

As for the other Beano reprints:
Olaff the Madlander (2008): I preferred Fred's Bed. There seemed to be something a little incomplete or wrong with these, but don't know exactly what it was.
Les Pretend (2008-present): I've enjoyed these strips. The Beano has never really replaced John Sherwood, but Les has become too popular to be dropped. I'd rather have Les reprints than no Les at all.
Rasher (2009-present): Very good - these are some good strips, and they not aged that badly compared to some other strips, given that they are from the 1980s.
Ball Boy (2009-present): Decent, good strips but the colouring hasn't always been great.
Gnasher and Gnipper (2009-present): Not been enough so far for a proper evaluation (only a few to date). Don't seem that dated though.

I'm not counting reprints in Beano Max, or ones that only appeared in the comic before April 2007, such as Calamity James.
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To be honest, I strongly dislike it when they rename a reprinted strip. (What's wrong with the cool flashy name, Adrian the Barbarian???) another example was P5 in the dandy, which I didn't really like anyway, being renamed Class Act. If anything, it should be reprints of First Class, with that name!

I do think that reprints need to be chosen carefully (Not saying that they aren't). For example, you need to find something that looks modern enough for adding to a modern comic, and that it hasn't got mentionings of retro things like Cassettes, Atari's, Dreamcasts, Records, etc. I also think that a the reader could be notified that it's a reprint; there's no reason why they shouldn't be, although there's no reason why they have to be either. if this was decided upon, it could say "A classic story from 1990!" or something, llike when there was briefly Bananaman reprints in 1999. (in the Dandy, of course).
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Old Freddy wrote: I also think that a the reader could be notified that it's a reprint; there's no reason why they shouldn't be, although there's no reason why they have to be either.
But most Beano readers aren't comic fans. They won't be impressed with notification of a reprint. They (or their parents) are more likely to complain they're getting "old stuff".

A few reprints are a necessity, but if they can be slipped under the radar as it were, all the better. Those "in the know" will know they're reprints anyway.

Having said that, I don't think reprints helped Buster at all. Times had moved on and material that was seven years old looked dated already. The Beano chooses its reprints more carefully, plus The Beano has a timeless quality of its own that readers don't seem to mind. (Characters in short trousers, teachers in mortar boards, - yet it still looks normal for 2009!)

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I'd love to buy a complete Jonah book a nobrainer..
keeping the same colouring from the comic with the yellow tinged pages..

I would love to see reprints of Calalmity James another nobrainer :D :lol:
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As someone who loves James, I don't expect we'll see more than one or two more James strips in Beano Max (ie any remaining new ones drawn by Tom once the last one edited by Euan is published) now that Alan has taken over, and that'll be it.
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AndyB wrote:once the last one edited by Euan is published.
That would be the current issue, right?

Any mention of a Dreamcast can be changed to XBox 360. Records = CDs. Walkman = iPod. A good example is this week's Ball Boy in fact. He says "Mudchester United are playing a pre-season friendly at the same time as our game today. I'm going to listen to it, but I'm not risking my phone out here on the pitch. I'll use Dad's old radio and headphones." Originally, it won't have been pre-season friendly, that was changed because it's July. The phone wasn't originally mentioned, kids didn't have mobiles 15 years ago! The radio won't have been his dad's originally, and is a Transistor Radio similar to Danny Wilson's in Topper's Danny's Tranny. Later Benji offers to let BB watch the game on a "Y-Phone" - really a handheld TV, something which never took off. The iPhone pun certainly wasn't there originally.
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Lead-in times mean that the one due out next month may have been edited by Euan, and certainly Euan will have done much of the groundwork. That's speculation, though.
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